Systems of human organization change drastically over time. One of the biggest proofs we have of this, is how Democracy has changed. Ancient Greek democracy, δημοκρατία, has drastically changed and its true form does not exist anywhere on earth today. Only a small fragment of the Brand of δημοκρατία the Ancients practiced is used today. This video proves that they way people organize themselves do change – Drastically – over time.
This video is in response to mujtahid2006, a video entitled
Can the future Khilafah (Caliphate) accomodate non-muslims? The original video is about 14 minutes in length, therefore my response will be broken up into a few different video responses.
Debating with Muslims is a very tricky, and intellectually challenging. Abdulla is one of the more charasmatic voices on youtube Islam, which is the only reason make videos discussing the topics he has raised. The secret to debating with muslims is to first understand how they value public orators.
In the Islamic world, a person is a good orator if they speak well, uplift their audience, make them feel good, and create what appears to be logical connections. Sometimes they will play on words or concepts, make logical connections between them without fully understanding the differences between two different concepts. We have seen Zakir Naik do this on many occasions. Abdulla debates in many respects, like Zakir Naik. The way to hand it means taking a step back, looking critically at the argument and dissect their arguments component parts. Sometimes a logcal fallacy will come at you so fast you will not have time to see it, which is why I like to take it easy when responding to Muslims, and carefully dissect each point they make, the connections between their points, and analyze any logical fallacies which they use.
Please go to the following links to verify the information I have presented in this video.
First – Abdullas Original Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbs3ZygNhfk
Ancient Greek Democracy Timeline
http://www.ancient-greece.us/democracy.html
Book Suggestion – Ancient Greece
http://www.questia.com/library/book/negotiating-democracy-transitions-from-authoritarian-rule-by-gretchen-casper-michelle-m-taylor.jsp
Women in Ancient Greece
http://www.ancient-greece.us/women.html
Slavery in Ancient Greece – Η δουλεία στην αρχαία Ελλάδα
http://www.crystalinks.com/greekslavery.html
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March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
this channel only …
this channel only to Distort the image of Islam
and every video make me laughing
even if you mad cuz islam growing more and more you cant stop it with this that not exist
even this guy his not muslim at all this style that not used for muslim haha
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
How weird … I …
How weird … I just relized right now, for the first time, what an excellent narration voice you have.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
SwordofAllaah87 is …
SwordofAllaah87 is back posting videos again.
I know how well you two got along lol
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
@bjf2008
bla bla …
@bjf2008
bla bla bla
and you probably have a very small dick
not to mention..you have never constructed a logical argument, based on evidence. All you do is insult
you are an inbreed hick
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
iam not a christian …
iam not a christian if you had bothered to read my comment, and not just start spouting off at the mouth and judgeing people which you seem to be good at doing but not good at making the right judgement,im not a mechanic, i paint cars big difference!i would have given you the benifit of the doubt but after that little bit of judgement you left on my page you just showed your true colors and believe me people will see what ureally are a judgemental,ignorant,condescending, fraud have a good day
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Cool vidoe, keep it …
Cool vidoe, keep it up
I’m curious, on the last map what did the grey bits represent?
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
5*
keep it up !!!
5*
keep it up !!!
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
“System of human …
“System of human organization has NOT changed”.
First law of social studies: NO society is STATIC! That would be good for this gentleman if he learn some basics of sociology.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
I think ‘Xenophobe’ …
I think ‘Xenophobe’ is the more appropriate term or perhaps ‘Bigot’. As for the reason for this fellow having a British accent, perhaps he’s ignorant of his own history. Maybe he should do some research on why so many people in the Middle East and South Central Asia have British accents, or speak English for that matter. He’s probably too busy making the potato salad for the next local BNP meeting
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
durr durr, never …
durr durr, never mind I just saw your comment on your channel page
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
I didn’t see the …
I didn’t see the link to part II
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Systems of human …
Systems of human organisations ie. societies remain the same and only technology changes is as egegiously counter intuitive and disingenuous as Abdullahs agenda is transparent. Of couse societies change. Even Islamic ones. British society even in his own life time has changed. New institutions have been created to replace old ones. His premise is patently false and ridiculous.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
The ‘Golden Age’ of …
The ‘Golden Age’ of Islam was the only instance in which human organization within islam was changing. attitudes towards non-believers were more equatable. During this time the middle east was a much more open society which embraced Greek knowledge as well as scholars from around the world. As science took its grip, the Caliphate was losing its, so the door was shut and a more draconian Islamic view was adopted. 1400’s the Christian church failed where the Islam succeeded in containing science.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Your comment was …
Your comment was directed at that man. HE obviously belongs to a race! :p So clarify, are you disgusted at a muslims speaking with a british accent or just a non-white person. Get off the drugs, I have no clue as to what your last sentence means.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Racist? Since when …
Racist? Since when was Islam a race? I think YOU’RE the racist one if you think that all Muslims are of a certain race, you ignorant american retard. Also, you think that it’s good for a criminals children to be punished for the criminals crimes? Pathetic.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
What is “true …
What is “true Islamic law”? You mean Sharia Law?
Sharia law and modern times would not mix, not in a progressive country.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
@SFAvfx
You may …
@SFAvfx
You may not be aware of this – but I am aware of it. In fact, I am disappointed that Western governments support such tyrants.
All of this however – does not negate the point of the video which is THE WAY PEOPLE ORGANIZE THEMSELVES DO CHANGE Ergo, my argument still stands strong unless you can prove the way people organize themselves never change.
The relevant point of the video was – Social Organization and do they change.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
@InfectedDaemon
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@InfectedDaemon
actually, I did not close my account because of starmexus. In fact, I am very fond of him.
I closed my account because of other reasons.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
The vast majority …
The vast majority of Muslim scholars and Muslims in general believe, that none of the Muslim rulers govern by Islamic law and you should know this since you are subscribed to brother Abdallah’s channel who often mentions this fact, therefore your entire video falls flat.
Do some research about the “Golden Age” when the Muslim empire actually ruled by true Islamic law.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Great video Naomi. …
Great video Naomi. I was sad when you and Johnny closed your accounts over the starmexus debacle. It’s good to see that your still at it though.
By the way, I have already subscribed to both of your channels (yours and the that chilango! guy I mentioned.)
Take care.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
I agree with you.
…
I agree with you.
I think you will appreciate the upcoming video
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Modern technology …
Modern technology was possible because science displaced Christian religious ideology and superstition with the help of Copernicus, Galileo, Darwin ect… Same thing must happen to Islam , if Islam is to join the rest of modern technological civilization and not be a cumbersome dead weight. Most muslims use technology, but won’t admit to the science and reason behind it.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
YOu sir are a …
YOu sir are a racist. Get used to the fact that your country is multi-cultural, a tidal that your ancestors helped start with ‘colonization’. In fact the whole world is multi-cultural. If you don’t like it, your on the wrong planet. Please get off. You’d be much happier off this planet.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Regarding modern …
Regarding modern technology – you will be interested in the upcoming video because I will be going into that one in great detail
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
I feel disgusted …
I feel disgusted that this man has a British accent – what is happening to my country? Islam is not and will never be supported by westerners; if you want to be a Muslim then GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM.